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Okay, I have restored the redirect, but I see no links to it. Deb (talk) 11:51, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Incidentally, it was showing up as a new article, hence the move seems to have been from a recently-created article. Deb (talk) 11:53, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I've been busy on other things. I have yet to write up the documentation on the changes I have made. I'll do that sometime over the next 24 hours.

The original two unnamed parameters will still work in much the way as they did before, but I am going to leave them undocumented (and depreciate their use) as it will be better to use named parameters as they are more flexible. I have put in enough documentation to cover anyone who needs to add a new template until such time as I write up the documentation.

So I hope it will satisfy you for the moment. -- PBS (talk) 13:42, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, now that Nome (country subdivision) points to a disambig, could you help out fixing links per WP:FIXDABLINKS? I've found navigation popups to be very useful when you set the popupFixDabs flag to true. --JaGa^talk 19:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Of the recently added categories in Anastasius (Samaria), "clergy" strikes me as odd. He doesn't seem to have ever been a priest. Am I missing something? Dimadick (talk) 09:55, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted your action on the ship that was built in Poland. The reason is, that I try to use two different systems: "Built in" and "Built at". For the schips by name you can find the country of building, the category by IMO number shows the shipyard. Combining will be double and there are a number of too strict rule-followers who will throw away one of the categories. I hope this way of working will survive. Experts work by IMO numbers and are interested in the yards. The gerenal publc is not very interested in the yards, only the country where a ship was built. --Stunteltje (talk) 17:50, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is not as duplicate of Category:Roman Catholic churches. Churches is ambiguous and since it applies to both buildings and congregations and denominations. Also, it is against guidelines to empty categories. If you want to move or rename a category you must use WP:CFD. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:23, 9 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The use of church buildings was decided by consensus several months ago. Due to the way categories work, it is more important that the names be unambiguous. If anything should be eliminated, we should probably explore eliminating Category:xxx churches since that is the ambiguous term. Of course that should be kept if it makes sense to bring all of the various uses of the term church at that name. I'm not convinced that that would be the right move. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:52, 12 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for noticing that! It is far from uncommon to have sportspeople joining politics, so I was not surprised to see footballers in the list. If you are familiar with Greece, have a look at the list of members of the Hellenic Parliament, May–June 2012, that I just compiled, to see if some blue links (or red links) have to be corrected. Place Clichy (talk) 16:19, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've red-linked the two MPs I've mentioned above and added an external link to the Parliament's website. The problem is, however, that most Greek MPs don't have articles; such a shame, considering that all of them would pass WP:POLITICIAN. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 16:38, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for sorting that out. I was wondering what happened and couldn't work it out. Simply south...... eating shoes for just 7 years 22:42, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I made the changes you suggested. I think I originally did mean to color in Kosovo, but forgot because of how much effort the other changes took. SpencerCS (talk) 00:27, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I revived your question Template talk:Infobox officeholder#Question for ministerial positions/cabinet members. — Petr Matas 06:13, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Category:19th-century disestablishments in France

These generic category structures are almost empty. As there are already

• Railway lines opened in 1868,
• Railway lines closed in 1871,
• Railway companies established in 1866 and
• Railway companies disestablished in 1871...

...I think this is a clear case of overcategorisation.--Aaron-Tripel (talk) 13:32, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Establishments by country and Disestablishments by country hierarchies do exist and have a great number of pages in it, so it would be a bit far-fetched to suggest that the community's consensus goes against adding such categories to articles. For instance 1868 establishments in England alone has 27 pages in it. However, I will not add these particular cats back into the article following your edit. Place Clichy (talk) 14:34, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(Moved answer back to where it belongs)

Moving one category level up from your example clearly indicates that this hierarchy isn't substantially populated at all (Category:1868 establishments by country). The single fact that a category hierarchy exist doesn't mean there is a consensus to randomly filling it as this hierarchy could potentially be filled with thousands of articles, rendering it useless.

With random I mean the example I gave earlier, between all the red links of Category:19th-century disestablishments in France only Category:1871 disestablishments in France and a few others are populated.

The following discussion indicates that there is no consensus or policy at all about this hierarchy: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories/Archive 3#RfC on "Years by country" categories--Aaron-Tripel (talk) 15:35, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hiya! I noticed that you have both Greek and German infoboxes on your profile. User:Vl.eu came onto the undeletion request forum requesting help with the article for Vicky Leandros. I left them some general information and recommended that they find a person who speaks their native language, since they have stated that their English isn't as strong as it could be. I'd like to say that they speak Greek or German since they listed the Greek and German websites for Leandros, although I'm somewhat suspecting that they're a Greek speaker. Nothing to back that up, though. In any case, would you be willing to try to converse with them in Greek and/or German to see if that's what they speak? I think that they mean well, but they would likely need to have things explained in their native language. I've tagged them with this post in the hopes that they'll come here, but you may need to go to their page. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:37, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Tokyogirl79:Thank you for notifying me. Although I have some knowledge of Greek, my writing skills in the language are quite poor. I suggest asking @Dr.K.: or @Cplakidas: who are respected and helpful users from Greece. As for German, the subject has been discussed many times at de:Diskussion:Vicky Leandros, I suggest letting a message there. Place Clichy (talk) 18:10, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks! By the by, it looks like their native language is German. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:19, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, PC, just to inform you: we wouldn't translate the name of a ship in German WP, so I changed it according to our conventions. The best. -- Pitichinaccio (talk) 17:29, 12 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey Place Clichy, you mentioned it's unnecessary to categorize Eastern Orthodox believers both by nationality and by jurisdiction: just by nationality should be enough. In fact I completely agree with you but it's a bit complex to realize. Just deleting the categories by jurisdiction is not an option because numerous of these articles are only in the jurisdiction category and not yet in the nationality category. So ideally we'd merge the categories by jurisdiction to the categories by nationality. But then the next problem is they do not always match. This is especially problematic for the Russian and Serbian jurisdiction after the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia fell apart. If you have an idea how to solve this, please go ahead. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:13, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Frankly, in this instance, yes. Just dropping out of the blue "christian palestinians face the same terrible oppression as their muslim brothers" is totally biased and out of place. This sentence is not only written as out of a propaganda piece, it's dropped as a complete non sequester and its 'source' is an opinion section of Al-jazeera.... seriously?

it's also quite ironic that the sentence was shoehorned in between statements about all the genocides, massacres and legal discrimination christians face in literally every other country in the middle east other than israel, perhaps the reason why the completely vague phrase "oppression" had to be used since the real details would have been too stark a contrast with the grim reality of neighbouring countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:E348:5180:5871:5D04:FC53:EA08 (talk) 09:48, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, considering any 'oppression' palestinians may face from Israel is totally national in nature, it has nothing to do with the article at all.

You might as well had "Saudi/Egyptian/yemeni/syrian/iraqi/lebanese/libyan/qatari/etc christians face the same government oppression as their muslim brothers". I mean that oppression is often a lot more severe than anything you'll see in palestine, and it's as valid a statement.

Are you starting to see how colossally stupid that sentence is in the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:E348:5180:5871:5D04:FC53:EA08 (talk) 09:53, 8 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Place Clichy, which Greek city-states weren't in Greece? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:19, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome to participate in this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:17, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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It is not a good idea to add former Members in the normal Non-Inscrits table. Make for former members a different table if you want :)83.80.208.22 (talk) 10:24, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Source added. She was sacked by UKIP, as such an Independent MEP. RoverTheBendInSussex (talk) 15:17, 16 June 2015 (GMT)

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Dear Place Clichy, You were correct to note that the claim of significance is present in the article. I see now that the bar is much lower than for Wikipedia:Notability, which I feel that neither it nor its French counterpart achieves at this point, absent significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. I tried, unsuccessfully, to remedy this problem by searching for anything written about the foundation in English from a reliable second or third-party source. (The French article cites a Parti de gauche website as its sole citation—probably not a reliable source and certainly not an indication of "significant coverage".) This led me to infer its non-notability. I'll look for your thoughts, here. Sincerely, User:HopsonRoad 01:52, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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You've added the hatnote twice with several months in between. Doesn't seem like anyone is biting. Why not create at least a stub yourself? Also, no need to DAB if no one even has energy to create the articles. There is only one subject by that name. Rikster2 (talk) 19:34, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. I'm from commons and i due all stuffs about Macedonia there. Can u tell me please why u remove the category Churches in the Republic of Macedonia from all macedonian churches?--R ašo 12:48, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Raso mk: Hello! In general, when an element is placed in a subcategory, it does not need to be placed in redundant mother categories. This is explained at commons:COM:OVERCAT, for instance. As an example, if a category or image is in Category:Churches in Skopje, it does not need to be also in Category:Churches in the Republic of Macedonia, because Category:Churches in Skopje is a subcategory of Category:Churches in the Republic of Macedonia, so that would be redundant. Place Clichy (talk) 13:40, 2 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Churches in Skopje, is not subcategory of Category:Churches in the Republic of Macedonia but Category:Churches in the Republic of Macedonia by city. I understand, but the category was to show the whole number of churches. Its possible to revert the contributins? I need the whole number. If you revert, i will create i hidden cat with another name, and then you can erase the category Churches in the Republic of Macedonia again. Thanks--R ašo 18:45, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Raso mk: Hello! Undoing all changes is not easy, but you can probably use a tool like CatScan to list all subcategories, or maybe Special:Categories. If you just want the number of subcategories, you can also just expand all the arrows and copy-paste the list in Excel or LibreOffice Calc to remove duplicates. What you apparently want to do (listing all churches of the Republic of Macedonia in one place) is more a List than a category actually, so categories may not be the best tool for you. Place Clichy (talk) 15:10, 4 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, hi. I removed the category Pakistan federal departments and agencies from the above two pages, which you added. They are not departments or agencies of the Government of Pakistan. --113.203.149.37 (talk) 12:51, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see you are trying to merge them into Category:Government-owned companies of Pakistan. Why not just remove the pages from the above two category, and add them to the Government category? Then just request speedy deletion of the above two categories? Wouldn't that be quicker? --113.203.181.51 (talk) 18:41, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you restored some extremely substandard content to the encyclopaedia with this edit. In your summary you seemed confused as to why I had removed it. I did think that its total inadequacy was screamingly obvious to anyone who actually read it, but apparently not, so let me give you some reasons.

1. It's written in poor English. Note how the very first sentence has a missing definite article
2. It's formatted as a list. It should be in prose.
3. It's written mostly in the present tense. It should obviously all be in the past tense
4. It contains almost no actual encyclopaedic content. I do believe that more than three important things happened there during the 19th century.

I removed it on 4 July, but it was restored by someone for no good reason. I removed it again, and now you've put it back for no good reason. I was planning to rewrite it, but as this content is fine by you, I won't bother. You can keep the article like this and feel as proud as you like of it. 217.158.174.226 (talk) 08:14, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The recent CFD discussion that I mentioned is here. So it distinguishes congregations from bricks and mortar. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:20, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. I see that you recently redirected Greek Catholic and Greek Catholic Church to a disambiguation page. Please can you fix the resulting mis-directed links? There are about 730 wikilinks from mainspace, but some of those can be fixed by editing a few templates such as {{Religion in Turkey}}. As the terms listed on the dab are confusingly similar, it is difficult for the layman to help and this task really needs a subject expert such as yourself. Thanks, Certes (talk) 09:31, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Certes: It is indeed a work in progress. Most incoming links to Greek Catholic Church or a version thereof should be changed to a better target, precisely because the term is ambiguous. I shall correct them myself if others don't do it before me. In many cases it is not difficult to find the right target, and in any case much better than leaving a link to a wrong page having nothing to do with the topic, such as Slovak Catholic Eparchy of Saints Cyril and Methodius of Toronto linking to Byzantine Catholics, itself redirecting to Greek Byzantine Catholic Church, which is a Church in the country of Greece having nothing to do with Slovakia! The correct link there should be, for instance, Slovak Greek Catholic Church.

{{Religion in Turkey}} is full of links to redirects (which should be avoided per WP:BRINT) or generic terms having nothing to do with Turkey while easily-found equivalents are available (why link to Catholic or Latin Catholic instead of Catholic Church in Turkey?). It can no doubt be improved. The main link for Greek Catholic topics in Turkey seems to be Greek Catholic Apostolic Exarchate of Istanbul, although there is also a Melkite jurisdiction. You may be inspired by links found at Category:Religion in Turkey and subcategories, or link to the categories themselves when there is no dedicated article. Place Clichy (talk) 09:59, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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I've just noticed you have been removing valid categories from articles, then tagging the categories for deletion. That is incredibly bad form. Please do not do that. GiantSnowman 12:01, 9 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately this list category duplicates content that is found elsewhere. See: "List of Catholic dioceses by alphabetical or List of Catholic dioceses by Structure". Having a category for Catholic lists is fine, but that already exists. Benkenobi18 (talk) 09:31, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Benkenobi18: If you find duplicate categories, I suggest nominating them for merger at WP:CFD. I can't find duplicate categories with the names you suggested though, care to provide a link? Categories and lists are different things, they are not duplicates of one another. See WP:Categories vs lists. All I saw was you removing List of dioceses in... articles from categories which have the word Lists in the name, and at first sight this seems wrong. List articles should be placed somewhere in the Category:Lists structure, and Category:Lists of Roman Catholic dioceses, which you emptied, is a valid intersection. Place Clichy (talk) 09:50, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The category had eight entries in it. Six of them were diocesan articles that were at the wrong level, which should be in the diocesan cats where I moved them. That leaves two. The one you readded and one other. I think that "Catholic-church related lists" is a better list category for those two rather than a 'list of Catholic diocese lists". also, please note that the Category, "lists of Catholic dioceses in a country" already contains the individual lists for all the catholic countries, making this category a duplicate of the content there. Benkenobi18 (talk) 09:56, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_Roman_Catholic_dioceses_by_country.

OK, you can indeed argue that you feel that Category:Lists of Roman Catholic dioceses by country is sufficient and that Category:Lists of Roman Catholic dioceses is "unneeded overcategorization". However, there are many cases when a perfectly valid category has most of its content within a by-country subcategory. Here, I see the following content eligible for the root category rather than the by-country category: List of Catholic dioceses (structured view), List of Catholic dioceses (alphabetical), List of Catholic dioceses in Europe, List of Catholic dioceses in the Balkans, Category:Lists of Roman Catholic dioceses in countries by name etc. Anyway, what is or is not overcategorization is defined by guidelines established by consensus rather than just personal opinion, and if you believe that consensus is against having a category gathering diocese lists, I invite you to nominate the category at WP:CFD rather than emptying or blanking it out of process. Please follow the discussion at the category talk page whre it will be better located. Place Clichy (talk) 11:12, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I'm BlackcurrantTea. I clicked on your contributions out of curiosity, and I noticed you're marking quite a few of your edits as minor, yet the ones I looked at aren't actually minor. Examples: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

It's an understandable mistake, and one I've made myself. The Wikipedia definition of minor is different to what most of us expect. I've reviewed Help:Minor edit many times, trying to decide if the changes I was making were minor. It helped me to think of a minor edit as a change that a reader is not that likely to notice (unless it's reverting obvious vandalism: this also counts as minor). Maybe it fixes a typo, or corrects the format of a reference without adding any new information. It doesn't change or add anything very noticeable to the page, and other editors are unlikely to dispute it.

I hope this helps. If you have any questions, you can reply to me here; I'll keep your talk page on my watchlist for a bit. Happy editing! BlackcurrantTea (talk) 02:49, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @BlackcurrantTea. Indeed what is a minor or a major edit can be very debatable. That is most especially true in the part that other editors are unlikely to dispute it, as as editors may dispute such things as the placing of a comma, sometimes rightfully so. In many years editing Wikipedia, I don't remember being challenged for misuse of the minor tag, although I have most certainly used it where I could not have, and the other way around.

I have not reviewed all your links (I am on a mobile phone right now which does not make it easy). However looking at 1 I see that I did only some copy editing, wikifying and link correction, and did not add or remove any information. So that's definitely a minor edit imho, and one where I see little probable room for contestation in all possible good faith. I welcome the debate though. Place Clichy (talk) 09:09, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You're right about that first diff - I was looking at the difference in wikicode, which makes it look like rather more of a change. However in the second diff you added a reference and a noticeable amount of text. In the third, you changed 'Byzantine' to 'Greek', changed section headings, added a gallery section and moved images into it, and removed half the entries from the 'see also' section. In the fourth, you changed the target of a redirect. In the fifth, you changed 'authored by' to 'attributed to' and added three references and a note.

To make up for the first diff, I'll add this navbox change; this change to a disambiguation page; and this change to an article. I don't see any of those as minor. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 12:30, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I do not feel really ashamed of any of those edits, and their content seems pretty unlikely to be found controversial (to the extent that you can be sure in advance that no other editor will think otherwise). I hope there was no harm done. However you may be right that for some edits I had started with some pretty uncontroversial maintenance work for which I had ticked the minor box, but then went on to do bigger changes to the article which should not have been marked as minor. In 2, I see that I had started by updating a reference for figures already in the article and correcting typos etc. but then added more content esp. a (sourced and referenced) list of patriarchal vicars, which is indeed a major edit. In other cases there may be room for more discussion or interpretation as to what is minor uncontroversial maintenance, such as replacing an obviously wrong redirect target, or replacing a rarely-used or weird term by what is already considered consensual and a standard in the article's context as is the case for 'Byzantine Catholic' vs. 'Greek Catholic'. Thank you for your suggestion though. Like all of us, I'm not always right and I probably often make mistakes. I will try and be more careful in the future. Place Clichy (talk) 15:52, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't suggesting you should be ashamed of any of the edits - indeed, I appreciate your attention to detail and references - simply that they're not minor edits. Thank you for considering this, and for your thoughtful replies. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 01:49, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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You tagged this category for speedy renaming and now it is empty. Can you follow through with it? I don't know the status of the rename, whether it was opposed or is now a discussion at CfD. If it won't be renamed, perhaps you could remove the tagging. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:26, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: My unopposed speedy nomination was actually for the merger of 2 categories in favour of a 3rd one, to mirror a merge at the article level which took effect, following discussion, in 2009. In effect, merging the now-empty category without leaving a redirect or plainly deleting it made little different, as content had been moved to the new target. In the meantime, an administrator deleted the empty category while leaving a mention of the new one in the edit summary. Things are therefore all good now. Place Clichy (talk) 14:18, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for this advice. Is there any specific edit you would be referring to or be unhappy with? I usually try to keep what is written on this page in mind in my editing, including the mention at the top that this is an information page. It describes the editing community's established practice on some aspect or aspects of Wikipedia's norms and customs. It is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community. Cheers, Place Clichy (talk) 09:09, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the one I noticed was this edit. I guess some argument could be made for all talk page contributions being minor, but it's at the least unorthodox. Sdkb (talk) 17:57, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Roman Catholic Church" correctly refers to the whole of the "Catholic Church" in communion with the Pope. The "Western Catholic" church is correctly called the "Latin Catholic Church", not the "Roman Catholic Church". Unfortunately even the Latin Catholic Church article makes this common mistake. Afterwriting (talk) 17:58, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Afterwriting: Nobody really ever says "Latin Catholic", it's just "Latin", as in the Latin Church or the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem. However, the use of Roman Catholic to refer to Roman-rite/Latin/Western Catholics as differentiated from Eastern Catholics is quite prevalent, see for instance Roman Catholic (term) § "Roman Catholic" and "Western" or "Latin Catholic". I guess it really depends from where you speak. From my experience I'd say that people who use Roman Catholic in the first sense (the wider Catholic Church) come from contexts that are either not Catholic or influenced by Protestantism, or are not even aware of the existence of the Eastern Catholic Churches, whereas people who use Roman Catholic in the second sense are more often Catholics themselves or from Catholic countries. That's personal perception, not educated opinion though. Any way both uses are correct and depend on context. IF you wish to discuss the matter more, I think that Talk:Catholic Church is the best venue. Place Clichy (talk) 18:08, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you that "Latin Church" is more common than "Latin Catholic Church" (though this is arguably more correct). But I don't agree that both uses of "Roman Catholic Church" are strictly correct, although I realise that many people refer to only the Latin Church as being "Roman Catholic". One thing I find strange but interesting is that many Latin Catholics want to reject the term "Roman Catholic" altogether whilst many Eastern Catholics use it (mistakenly I believe) to refer to the Latin Church. This matter has been discussed considerably in the past at the Catholic Church talk page and it was generally agreed back then that "Roman Catholic" correctly referred to the whole church and not just the Western church (which is why the opening sentence is as it is). Regards, Afterwriting (talk) 18:28, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Both uses are correct in English. However you have to acknowledge that the use of "Roman Catholic" for the entire Church comes from the Church of England and was initially intended as pejorative, which may be a good explanation why you will find Catholics who show reluctance to it. Acceptance of these terms have evolved with times, and you would not put the same connotation in a 21st-century text than in a 17th-century one, both for Catholic and Roman Catholic, both from an Anglican or a Catholic writer. Place Clichy (talk) 18:35, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@Elizium23: You are correct, it seems indeed that Christology and Christological are usually capitalized in English. Place Clichy (talk) 16:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]